Disambig?
I think this is an article rather than a disambiguation page, and will adjust accordingly if there is no objection.--Commander Keane 13:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- There are still nearly 300 links to this article which do not intend to link to hockey in the general sense. Those links still need to be cleaned up, a task upon which I am slowly working. D-Rock 00:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- Most of the links are cleaned up, there are a few that I could not use Google or context clues to figure which kind of hockey was being spoken of, and some that actually should point here. I would suggest removing the redirect on hockey (disambiguation), and making a shorter, actual disambig page there. (containing only field, ice, roller, & street?) D-Rock 02:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
If Hockey played on ice is going to be called "Ice Hockey" it absolutely needs its own entry.
- It has ! Ice hockey. Lvr 16:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] the field hockey sucks bit
Took out the "less spectating but strong participation" bit on account of its generally being wrong. WookMuff 01:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hockey
Street Hockey or Ball Hockey is usually played with either a tennis ball or, a hockey ball. The hockey ball is an orange plastic and depending on the weather or area of play, a hard or soft ball is picked. Mostly, there are no in-line skates. Due to the fact of injury. Playing this type of hockey takes a minimum of equipment. Most of the time, just a hockey stick and gloves. Orginized ball hockey teams wear knee and elbow pads, jock/jill,shin guards and sometimes a helmet. Shoulder pads are not worn because this keeps the aggretion to a minumum. Golies wear all ice hocky gear.
[edit] Capitalisation and other variants
Why do "Floor Hockey", "Foot Hockey", "Mini Sticks", "Gym Hockey" and "Sled Hockey" have a capital "H" here, unlike the others? Are these five brand names?
There's also no mention in the list of rink hockey or Unihoc. It also isn't clear whether either Floor Hockey or Gym Hockey is the same as Unihoc. Unihoc is played with a puck and plastic double-sided sticks, which are more rounded in shape than those used for ice hockey. It was quite often played when I was at school. -- Smjg 16:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
- Here we play Unihoc with a ball ;-) Lvr 16:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the similar sport La Cross?
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- Lacrosse has similarities to hockey but is a completely different sport with different antecedents. Hockey did not come from lacrosse, nor vice versa. Eron 19:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Lacrosse was an influence on hockey, but it didn't evolve directly from it. Ice hockey was never just field hockey on ice, either, it had different rules from day one. At least as far as there is evidence. Who knows what the reality is? The First Nations people could, possibly, have played lacrosse on ice and there would be no record of it. We have to go by the evidence, and that suggests that Lacross was at least an influence on the ice version of the game. Biff Loman 13:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Lacrosse has similarities to hockey but is a completely different sport with different antecedents. Hockey did not come from lacrosse, nor vice versa. Eron 19:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
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- And that is mentioned, in the history section of the Ice hockey article. As this is a general article on all the sports that fall under the rubric 'hockey', I'm not sure lacrosse needs to be discussed here. Eron 13:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- I guess if you don't want to talk about it here, you really shouldn't be making up a bunch of crap about how hockey didn't come from lacrosse. Then others wouldn't have to set you straight. Biff Loman 01:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- And that is mentioned, in the history section of the Ice hockey article. As this is a general article on all the sports that fall under the rubric 'hockey', I'm not sure lacrosse needs to be discussed here. Eron 13:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Ice hockey origin claim
I removed the statement "yet many demand that the first true game of ice hockey was played at [[St. Paul's School (Concord, New Hampshire) on Turkey Pond." Is there a citation, source, or reference for this claim, as compared to the claims of other 'birthplaces' of hockey? Eron 02:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] History of ice hockey
What is said here about the history of ice hockey isn't consistent with what's said on the ice hockey page. Neither is well referenced. Can anyone with access to scholarly work on this sort it out? seglea 19:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ordering of codes
Please don't let this degenerate into nationalistic/regionalistic/hockeyistic feuds, but I think ice hockey should be listed above field hockey for two reasons. First, a vast majority of native English speakers (U.S. + Canada = ~330 million, UK + Ireland + Australia + NZ = ~90 million) will refer to "ice hockey" simply as "hockey". Yes, I know this encyclopedia is not limited to native English speakers, but cent(er/re)s of popularity of each code in other regions will offset each other. (That is, this is not like "football", where there is little popularity for codes other than soccer outside the Anglosphere, and the association code should deservedly be listed first.) Second, if you look in the history, the article originally redirected to ice hockey, and when ordering is in doubt one should go by the original contributor's intentions. I'm not so foolhardy as to change the order unilaterally, so please discuss. Just keep it civil. StarryEyes 01:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't care about the order. But I think you're wrong when you say a vast majority of native English speakers. In Australia, UK, NZ, RSA,... "Hockey" is "Field hockey", just because field hockey is far more popular than ice hockey. The code behaind "hockey" depends of the geographical region more than of the language used in this region. Lvr 10:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Plus add in those in India and Pakistan, and the European countries where (field) hockey is strong, and english is commonly a second language, I wouldn't be so sure that a random person searching in English wikipedia for articles on "hockey" would expect it to come up with (ice) hockey as the primary usage of the word (or that "centres of popularity of each code in other regions would offset each other"). David Underdown 10:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- So if India and Pakistan are added, why not Latvia and Russia, where "hockey" (or its variant, say, "hokkej") refers only to ice hockey? Why not Finland, Czech Republic, Sweden and Slovakia, where an English conversation about "hockey" is sure to be about the game played on ice, even if "ice hockey" (or its variants) were the official term? With all that non-POV being said, COME ON! The game played on ice was called hockey and when some retards start playing it on grass, they steal the name and call the original "ice hockey". How about I start playing football on ice and just decide that it's "football" to me and call the original one "grass football"? 212.182.207.100 10:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Plus add in those in India and Pakistan, and the European countries where (field) hockey is strong, and english is commonly a second language, I wouldn't be so sure that a random person searching in English wikipedia for articles on "hockey" would expect it to come up with (ice) hockey as the primary usage of the word (or that "centres of popularity of each code in other regions would offset each other"). David Underdown 10:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I thought consensus had already been reached, and it was alphabetized... Field, Ice, Rink. silly me. --D-Rock (commune with D-Rock), (hockey fan) 19:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Sure, let's count all those countries you mentioned and let's count India and Pakistan - that's about 1.3 billion people. Do the math. And it is the national sport of both these countries - no one calls it field hockey here - it is just hockey. DemolitionMan (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A "girls sport"?
It says "Field hockey is popular among both sexes in many countries of the world, particularly in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and South Asia, though in the United States and Canada it is considered a girls' sport." Now granted I'm not much of a hockey buff, but I've never personally heard that. When I was a kid I used to play that with my friends quite a bit since ice rinks aren't easily available. There never seemed to be any shame or girliness associated with that. Cereal box conspiracy 15:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC) If you dont think hockey is a sport for both genders you are a sexiest pig. Both genders can have great moments in this sport.
- I've always considered it to be a girls' sport.. --SodiumBenzoate 21:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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- It's considered a girls' sport in the UK as well. Reason being there's a dominant winter sport (soccer) which girls tend not to play, so they play hockey instead. Same reason soccer tends to be associated with girls in the U.S. - there's a winter sport girls don't usually play, American football / ice hockey. So they play soccer / hockey instead. That might be more encyclopedic than just saying it's a girls' sport, because that just sounds like a macho endorsement of ice hockey. The way Brits might call baseball a girls' sport (rounders) when they compare it to cricket. Beyond school these distinctions tend not to apply. Hakluyt bean 16:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Some in the UK might consider it a girl's sport, partly becasue of the "jolly hockey sticks" image and St Trinian's, however, the fact remains that actually participation rates are pretty equal at club level (possibly even more men play, can't remember the figures on numbers of teams at the moment), which simply isn't the case in the States, where it is played almost entirely in high schools and colleges by girls. There's a tiny number of clubs in the US, most people never play after college I believe. Boy's participation raes are also kept down by the fact some areas insist that they wear the same kit as the girls, even calling it a kilt doesn't change the fact it looks like a skirt, which is a fairly major obstacle for teenaged boys... Girls' and young women's sport might I suppose be more accurate. David Underdown 08:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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I am currently at a school, i know many other schools that have more boys playing the sport then girls. I also play for a club, which has more boys paticipating thatn girls, and there are also more mens teams then womens. I can see that hockey used to be classified as a girls sport, but i feel it is now more mixed. Moneal04 21:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Neal Monk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneal04 (talk • contribs)
I cant stand having sports only for females when they still complain about how they are discriminated and kept seperate from boys sports. Girls can play with boys in; Hockey until they become a certain age in which they choose if they wish to stay with the hitting boys or switch to the none hitting girls team. Boys do not have the option of hitting or not, or have a say in whether or not girls are on there team. So in my opinon we should finalize the question of girls strength and abilities vs boys and see if they can really skate with us or not. We must also create the option of all boys and all girls teams.
What a load of rubbish how in today's society can you say 'girls' sport thats like saying football is a boy's sport when its is obviously not, yes prodomintally men play it, but alot of women play it too! Jezzyjez 07:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Naming convention
The article has: "The dominant version of hockey in a particular region tends to be known simply as hockey"
Isn't that a bit misleading?
- Hockey ('field hockey'): International Hockey Federation
- 6 out of 116 countries use 'Field Hockey' - Azerbaijan, Latvia, Moldova, Romania, American Samoa, Canada, U.S.
- Ice hockey: List of members of the International Ice Hockey Federation
- Out of 60+ countries looks like(?) only in the U.S and Canada is it known simply as 'hockey'
- Olympics http://www.olympic.org/
- As far as they're concerned the sports are 'hockey' and 'ice hockey'.
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I cant stand having sports only for females when they still complain about how they are discriminated and kept seperate from boys sports. Girls can play with boys in; Hockey until they become a certain age in which they choose if they wish to stay with the hitting boys or switch to the none hitting girls team. Boys do not have the option of hitting or not, or have a say in whether or not girls are on there team. So in my opinon we should finalize the question of girls strength and abilities vs boys and see if they can really skate with us or not. We must also create the option of all boys and all girls teams.
- The article has: "The dominant version of hockey in a particular region tends to be known simply as hockey"
- Isn't that a bit misleading?
- No, it's an accurate statement, and doesn't make any claim about the number of countries in which either form is dominant. If you come to North America, "ice hockey" is known simply as hockey (National Hockey League, American Hockey League, East Coast Hockey League, Hockey Canada, USA Hockey, etc., etc.). To call the sport "ice hockey" here would be redundant, though people would know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about field hockey, you need to call it "field hockey." If you use the word "hockey" here to refer to field hockey, now that would be misleading.
- North America is roughly 350 million people, and has the majority of native English speakers in the world. Since this is the English language Wikipedia, we should go with the terminology that the majority of native English speakers use to refer to these sports. Namely "hockey" (meaning "ice hockey") and "field hockey" for the other form.140.251.125.50 15:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Matt
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[edit] Ringette ... variant?
The sport was originally developed for girls, but I don't think it was developed to be an alternative for hockey. Girls, I'm sure, could play hockey back then, because back then most likely both levels (ringette and girls hockey) were at the same level. The term variant, I don't think, fits it very well. If someone could cite an official source stating that it is (or was) supposed to be an alternate to ice hockey, then I'll be okay. Til then, I think that should be rephrased somehow. Perhaps make a list that lists sports that are similar to hockey, but are not variants or alternates. Disinclination 09:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is a quote from the Ontario Ringette Association
"The Sport of Ringette was developed in 1963 in North Bay, Ontario, by the late Mr. Sam Jacks. Originally designed to be a unique winter team sport for girls and an alternative to hockey, Ringette has evolved into a fast paced, exciting sport that combines the speed of hockey with the strategy of basketball. The first game played in Espanola, Ontario, was nothing like the sport of today" Felix the cat29 23:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
I find the picture [2] of the (field) hockey players not very resambling with the sport... it looks very slow on that picture... the picture used on the Dutch page [3] looks much more like the Hockey sport is like.
Wouldn't this be a better picture for this article?
The second picture would be better, but let's face it - the game is pretty slow, which is why it's runner-up to real hockey. 67.71.140.234 11:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rink hockey - Hardball hockey - Hoquei em Patins
I've edited this to cut the name down to just Rink hockey, which is the name of the main Wikipedia article. It seemed a bit much to include the common name, a variant name (Hardball hockey), and a non-English name. I've also request a citation on the "one of the three most popular hockey variants" claim. While the global popularity of the ice and field versions is self-evident to me, I'm not so sure about a claim ranking any other variant as number three on the list without further evidence (e.g. number of active countries, etc.) Eron 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your regarding the popularity- but I also need to add, ""Rink hockey - Hardball hockey - Hoquei em Patins"" are all the same sport called different names all over the world- all are commonly referred to as Roller_hockey. The name roller hockey was used before the invent of inlines -Hardballhock
Hello, i don't have a profile so i decided just to talk here. Unicycle Hockey isn't a sport! It is like calling throwing plates the sport discus or calling midget tossing a sport.This whole page is weak. It is pathetic that nobdy has done anything to fix it.-Angry Hockey Fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.139.251 (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] layout for images idea
I centered the images because any time someone added some text or another piece the /right/ wouldn't keep things tight. The images would sort of bleed over into other parts. If you can find a better way to keep images with their parts than using Center which I did (wince) give the layout a shot. --Hardballhock 03:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] added "Origins" section
I'm a sports historian, and I thought a sport as important as hockey needs some description of its origins.Kozushi
[edit] hockey
i think that hockey should be played with only four players, that way, there would be more room and creativity on the ice. [nhlray8338] I dont see how that would work, surely it takes more skill and creativity to coordinate more players then less?? Jezzyjez 16:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC) Call me crazy but I don't think it's necessary to tell people twice that a puck is made from vulcanized rubber. Maybe I am crazy and there's a good reason, but I can't see it. :-) As a Canadian I am ashamed to admit I did not know that they froze the puck to keep it from bouncing. Joe Dick 20:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC) According to Official website of Olympic movement, records exist of hockey having been played in Persia in 2000 BC. I don't know how valid are the citations that refer the origin of this game to Egypt. I think the citation from the olympics website is more resonable as this game was and is strongly played in Pakistan and India which are closer to (and even part of) big old persian empire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.251.85.42 (talk) 21:43, August 21, 2007 (UTC) I am checking into locating the right reference to support India being the origin of this sport. For now I have only added a reference that Hockey is the Nation Game of India. thevikas (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC) You forgot to mention roller hockey - it is in fact very popular —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frozen Serge (talk • contribs) 19:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC) In the description for field hockey, it mentions this: "The game is popular among both males and females in many countries of the world, particularly in Europe, India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and South Asia." I find this redundant since India and Pakistan are in South Asia. Maybe they meant that it's especially popular in those two countries? Regardless, I think it should be changed (I don't have an account, so I can't make it myself). Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.71.133.98 (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC) Dino Lelis is one of the most feared players in Hockey. Little is known about the Phenom, although he is widely regarded as the greates goalie to never have played in the NHL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flames8889 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC) I've removed Polo from the list of "other forms of hockey" as although it's a game involving scoring goals with sticks, it's got a completely separate lineage. Rojomoke (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC) The bit about hockey sticks is pretty much completely wrong. The curves by manufacturing companies are not the players custom curves, just branded generic curves. The flex rating is not how easily it breaks, the flex is how many pounds it takes to flex the stick 1 inch. Also, flex does not enable a slapshot, it helps any shot. And the bit about right handed people shooting left, and vice-versa is completely untrue, haveing your dominant hand on the bottom can be just as big an advantage as it gives you better power with a stronger low hand. I can't edit the page (maybe because I am a new user?) but if someone who can would, that would be great because the information there is just flat out not true.[edit] Ice hockey puck
[edit] Origin of Field Hockey
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[edit] India, Pakistan, ... and South Asia?
[edit] Dino Lelis
[edit] Polo
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