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Contents [hide] 1 Disambig and Name 2 Camogie 3 Previous posts 4 Disambig? 5 the field hockey sucks bit 6 Hockey 7 Capitalisation and other variants 8 Ice hockey origin claim 9 History of ice hockey 10 Ordering of codes 11 A "girls sport"? 12 Naming convention 13 Ringette ... variant? 14 Picture 15 Rink hockey - Hardball hockey - Hoquei em Patins 16 layout for images idea 17 added "Origins" section 18 hockey 19 Ice hockey puck 20 Origin of Field Hockey 21 Roller hockey 22 India, Pakistan, ... and South Asia? 23 Dino Lelis 24 Polo 25 Sticks

[edit] Disambig and Name

Hello there,h

As I'm working on the wikiproject sports I would like to restart the discussion on botbh the function of this page and the naming convention. 1) This page should be nothing more than a disambiguation page. It distincts between different kind of sports that (partly) share/are known by the same name. There is no reason to include other information here. 2) I propose throught the project that we use the olympic naming convention on sports. And that American predominance in namegiving is not applied. Therefore; Field hockey should be called hockey and ice hockey should be given that name. See above for some reasons. Discussion is invited, as is participation in the wikiproject.Thanks -Catneven 08:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. The distinct pages about each different type of hockey all contain enough information without the need for this lengthy page. This page should be nothing but a set of links that point the user towards all the different kinds of hockey. US/UK Naming isn't such a huge issue here - the article title is hockey and ideally ALL of the disambig links should have a descriptive prenoun. This would solve any petty arguments and allow the page to serve a more useful purpose. SheffGruff 12:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

"I propose throught the project that we use the olympic naming convention on sports."

I thoroughly disagree. Using the Olympics as a standard is arbitrary and misleading. Furthermore, official governing bodies often use terminology that does not reflect popular usage. Look at the fact that the governing body of football/soccer in Australia is called "Football Federation Australia" despite the fact that the majority of that population refers to that sport as "soccer" and uses "football" to refer to either Aussie-rules football or rugby. For this reason, official governing bodies cannot always be trusted to always choose appropriate terminology, or else they may have an agenda in trying to push a certain nomenclature over others.

Wikipedia, as an English-language encyclopedia, should reflect the predominant usage of language in the English-speaking world. How the language is actually used, not how some Olympic committee thinks it should be used. As if the Olympics are some kind of authority on the English language. Anyway, it's easy enough to see how the language is actually used. Go to Google and search for the single term "hockey." The top several pages of results returned almost exclusively refer to sites related to so-called "ice hockey." Not so surprising, considering that a majority of the world's native English-speaking population resides in North America, where the sport is referred to as "hockey" and that other variant is referred to as "field hockey." Wikipedia should reflect real world usage, and not some arbitrary authority or Olympic committee.140.251.125.50 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)Matt

Again, this has degenerated into an argument about who's definition of the word hockey is "right" - with no real relevance to the original suggestion in this heading, which was that the page be stripped down to simply point to all the different types of hockey. SheffGruff (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Camogie

I think it should be mentioned that in Ireland hockey is viewed as the civalised version of Camogie as camogie is more violent. I know this because I play both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.200.162 (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Previous posts

"For example, in North America, hockey refers to ice hockey, the finest form of the sport, whereas in the UK the same word denotes field hockey, which is regarded as a lesser version of hockey."

the part about ice hockey being the finest form of the game, while I whole-heartedly agree, seems more than slightly POVish...

I second the opinion above. To maintain NPOV, I think that the words that I have shown in bold should be removed. Since I don't actually follow hockey (of either type) I shall leave the edit to someone who watches these pages and has contributed. Although maybe as a neutral observer I should be the one...(?) Maybe I will come back and check in a week or so... --Muchado 05:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I dont understand why this is an disambiugation page. The characteristics of hockey regardless of whether it is on field or on ice sure needs a wiki entry. --- froderik

Perhaps because most people searching for "hockey" are looking for a particular hockey. This page will let them select the hockey they meant. Tom Brown 17:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What about ball hockey? Where would that fall under? In Canada, we usually play ball hockey, meaning a sport like ice hockey (same sticks) but with an orange ball, usually in a gym or outdoors on pavement.--Sonjaaa 21:16, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

That is not hockey, that is ball hockey. All forms of of ice hockey is originated from the true original ice hockey. Therefor we should not refer to hockey as ice hockey but as hockey.

Field Hockey at www.scporto.com

There is no such thing as "ice" hockey. Hockey played on ice is hockey. Other forms of the game are field hockey and ball hockey, but hockey played on ice is hockey. Calling hockey "ice hockey" is like calling baseball "field baseball". That sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?

This is an international encyclopedia, and we cater for for everyone around the world. When someone says "hockey" in Australia they only mean field hockey. Hockey played on ice is "ice hockey". Think outside the rink.--Commander Keane 23:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

That's the UK bias of this encyclopedia. It claims to have an international point of view, but it's really a European point of view.

Do you really think that the american POV is international? If i said 'ice hockey' to you, you know exactly what i mean. If you said hockey to me i would instantly think of field/turf hockey (which btw was invented before ice hockey...)PhatePunk 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ice hockey is thought to be descended from lacrosse, and who knows how long that had been played? Besides, as soon as they started playing hockey on ice, you'd think they'd have immediately stopped playing that wimpy field hockey! :-) Biff Loman 00:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, what a bunch of bull. Hockey refers exclusively to what ignorant people may term "field hockey". The people who seem to place ice hockey are the Canadians and Americans. (202.177.229.252 08:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC))

And Russians... And Swedes... And Finns... And Germans... And... all of the northern world in general.

Only pussies play field hockey. 70.49.243.186 15:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

As much as i love arguing against americans in wikipedia's best interest both sports should be refered to as the longer meaning; ice hockey and field hockey to avoid confusion. Jezzyjez 07:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just like to say i think this article is very good. I am a player of both ice and field hockey and it sadens me that some people fail to apreciate either of the sports. Purely due to ignorance of course... I would suggest more info on Street hockey, also more field hockey links. Maybe http://www.narrowstep.com/fieldhockey/nsp1-tabs.htm as one? 172.203.154.149 00:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)